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Ray’s new gun and a recent range trip. ProGun Podcast #058.


On this Episode of the Progun Podcast we discover how to turn the equipment back on after many months of not having time to get together.  Ray has a new toy to talk about and we discuss our recent trip to the range.

So Ray got a New gun, and it’s not a Glock.  Ray feeling the itch finally broke down and ordered a Rock Island Armory GI model 1911.

  • Out of the Box
  • Break in
  • Shooting
  • Impressions
  • Reasons For purchase
  • Comparison to Kimber Custom TLE II

Range Trip

  • Don’t shoot handguns with a hurt wrist if you can avoid it.
    • Single Action Revolver
  • The Guns Taken
    • RIA 1911 Standard GI
    • Kimber Custom TLE II
    • Sig Sauer P220
    • Ruger New Vaquero with .45 ACP cylinder.
  • Reloading issue


Episode 57: Fair Weather Vehicles…


We talk about riding motorcycles and driving Jeeps while Carrying Concealed.  We also try out a revised format and new mics.

Lead News item:

Former mayor Bloomberg has decided to reimagine his gun control organisation Mayors Against Illegal Guns and their subsidiary “Moms Demand Action” into a new organisation called “Everytown for Gun Safety.”  The new organisation is intended to pass itself off as a grassroots effort, although they do not hide the fact that Michael Bloomberg plans to spend more than fifty million dollars in the first year of operations.  This would be two and a half times what the NRA spends in the same period.  Interestingly enough they failed to create the facebook page with their name in advance of going public, which led to the facebook page being snatched up by a pro gun group but has since been deleted by facebook.  Interestingly enough it became clear that Bloomberg plans to use his new group to instill terror when he said “We’ve got to make them afraid of us.”

So lets offer Michael Bloomberg some advice.  You can not buy grassroots efforts, when you try to it’s called astroturfing.  Incase you do not know what astroturf happens to be, it is a form of fake grass named after the Houston Astrodome.  The Astrodome, like many astroturf groups, no longer sees any use and it cost less to build than bloomberg plans to spend (It cost $35 million to build).  So our advice to Mr. Bloomberg is to save your money and perhaps spend it on something that would be more effective like teaching actual gun safety such as the National Rifle Association’s Eddie Eagle Program, or the National Shooting Sports Foundation’s “Don’t Lie for the Other Guy” or any other program that actually makes Americans safer instead of trying to take away their ability to defend themselves.  But it really doesn’t matter what you do because those of us truly involved in grassroots efforts will be there to stop you and defend our rights.  And Michael, we can call you Michael right?  As the former mayor of New York City I would have thought you were above terrorizing people.


Story: We have confirmed with the Texas DPS that they have temporarily suspended their switch to Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm pistols.  Texas State Troopers will continue, for the time being, to be trained with and issued the Sig Sauer P226 in .357 Sig.  A hand full of weapons experienced sight movement of less than 10 microns after firing around 3000 rounds of ammo.  Additional issues, but unrepeatable even after around 5000 rounds of fire, were failures with feeding and failures with ejection.

Story: James Franklin has sent us an update on the “Situation in Andrews” as we have come to call it on the ProGun Podcast.  Essentially the situation in Andrews is two cases where the Andrews Texas Police Department arrested people who were carrying a long guns.  The first arrest was that of Joey Posey which led to a march by Come And Take It Texas that was shut down by Andrews PD.  After CATI got the required permits Michael Keoughan went to check the route of the planned march when he was also arrested.  Michael is seeking assistance in raising funds for legal representation.  The article does say the situation in Andrews is improving.

Story: A Manhattan church located on Wall Street has gone to court in an attempt to force Wal-Mart to give investors the power to end gun sales.  Wal-Mart contends that it does not have to include this proposal in it’s proxy statement as gun sales are part of their normal business operations.

Story: In New Jersey a seventh grader was suspended after another student accused him of making gun motions with a pencil.  The suspended student claims that the accuser had bullied him earlier in the day.
Story: The Director of the Federal Air Marshal Service is resigning as a result of an investigation into his role where he assisted officials in acquiring firearms for personal use.  The investigation is a probe conducted by the Department of Homeland Security Inspector General.

Show 56: Packing a Pocket Rocket


 With the popularity of Concealed Carry and all fifty states having some form of it there is no question about there being a market for small guns that can be carried in a pocket, in an ankle holster, or in some other way.  The pocket gun truly became an option for the public with the Kel-tec series of pistols, but it took Ruger releasing the LCP in order to cause a shortage of .380 ammo and drive up demand for pocket pistols.

To test these guns we used guns that we ourselves actually owned, using factory ammunition that we purchased on a range that we normally use under conditions that most shooters would practice under.  The trigger pull was tested by Aaron, the Chronograph data was collected by Ray on all but the XDs-45 (Ran out of daylight for the chronograph).

  Each of these guns we compare will have features that make them ideal for pocket carry, but in the end it will be you who must decide which one is the winner.  So let us know which one wins in your opinion!

.380 ACP

Model: LCP P238 Micro Eagle G42
Manufacturer: Ruger Sig Sauer Magnum Research Glock
Capacity: 6+1 6+1 6+1 6+1
Weight: 9.40oz 15.2oz 14.0oz 13.76oz
Barrel: 2.75" 2.7" 2.22" 3.25"
Height: 3.60" 3.9" 3.72" 4.13"
Width: 0.82" 1.1" 0.886" 0.83"
Length: 5.16" 5.5" 4.52" 5.94"
Trigger pull: 6lb 0oz 9lb 8oz 8lb 15oz 6lb 11oz
Muzzle Energy: 78.343 Ft/Lbs 82.048 Ft/Lbs 63.65 Ft/Lbs 81.73 Ft/Lbs


Model: Slim P938
Make: Taurus Sig Sauer
Capacity: 7+1 6+1
Weight: 19oz 16oz
Barrel: 3.2" 3.0"
Height: 4.52" 3.9"
Width: 1.04" 1.1"
Length: 6.24" 5.9"
Trigger pull: 5lb 15oz 6lb 12oz
Muzzle Energy: 119.025 Ft/Lbs 121.631 Ft/Lbs

38 Special

Model: LCR 442
Make: Ruger Smith & Wesson
Capacity: 5 5
Weight: 13oz 15oz
Barrel: 1.875" 1.875"
Height: 4.50" 4.25"
Width: 1.31" 1.188"
Length: 6.5" 6.31"
Trigger pull: 9lb 7oz 10lb 2oz
Muzzle Energy: 107.493 Ft/Lbs 107.229 Ft/Lbs

.45 ACP and .40 S&W

Model: G27 XDs-45
Make: Glock Springfield Armory
Capacity: 9+1 5+1
Weight: 21.89oz 21.5oz
Barrel: 3.42" 3.3"
Height: 4.17" 4.4"
Width: 1.18" 1"
Length: 6.49" 6.3"
Trigger pull: 6lb 2oz 6lb 14.5oz
Muzzle Energy: 176.16 Ft/Lbs Untested*

*= Untested due to lack of light during range Session.

Story: In New York Officials have elected not to enforce the 7 rounds per magazine limit while the safe act is being appealed.  This is an important victory for the Second Amendment Foundation even if it is a small one.

Story: In New Mexico the Second Amendment Foundation has won another victory when they were granted a permanent injunction against the state’s citizenship only requirement for a concealed handgun license.  New Mexico has never had any problems issuing a driver’s license to illegal aliens while restricting legal aliens second amendment rights.

Story: Mike Malloy, a noted liberal radio host, stated that he would like to invite an NRA board member to meet him, then murder them and try to claim stand your ground as a defense.  Sadly it’s nut jobs like these that need mental help while they claim we gun owners are crazy.

Story: We are not going to link to this story because there is not enough facts known at this time.  We do however wish to offer our condolences and prayers to those who were affected by the most recent tragic shooting at Fort Hood Texas.

Episode 55: Glocking Off…


Accused of being a Glock hater Aaron has purchased his third Glock pistol bringing his current collection of Glocks to 2.  Ray not wanting to be left out purchased himself a new Glock as well.  When it was all said and done a previously planned episode was thrown out the window and a new one was outlined to review The Glock Model 42 and a Gen 3 Glock Model 27.

Story: Ares Armor the makers of 80% complete polymer lower receivers was raided by the BATFE in what is being viewed as a retaliatory strike in response to Ares Armor obtaining a restraining order against them taking their customer list.  The link goes to a blog article with a video of the raid.

Story: From ammoland we have a story about the owner of Jitters Java encouraging their employees to carry firearms while at work.  All employees are encouraged to get firearms training by the owner.

Story: Dianne Feinstein has been circulating a letter for signatures around Capitol Hill that she plans to present to President Obama.  The letter calls for the ban on importation of weapons that she doesn’t like.  Essentially she is asking for an executive order that would effectively reinstate the Clinton Assault Weapons ban on imports while extending the firearms that would be covered by it.

Episode 53: Another 1911 episode and Ray Returns.


In this episode we address some Listener eMail that we received and answered back around episode 49. We didn’t Get around to replying to it until this episode because Ray wanted to do this episode which was based off the eMail. The eMail reads as follows: Read more ›

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